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    Hi Guys,

    I've got a 1972 911T. The car came with a 1970 911T 2.2 engine number: 6100454. I'm thinking of selling it and then use the money try and find a 1972 2.4 911T engine with MFI, and perhaps in the mean time stick in a 3lt.

    The 2.2 comes with Zenith carbs, air box, ignition, and heat exchangers. Basically the whole deal. Engine runs, but carbs need a clean out. Was intending to rebuild the carbs myself and run for a while, but I just don't have the time.

    Was wondering what I should be asking for it?

    Pricing for early 911 engines sure seems to have ramped up in the past 12 months.

    Thanks for your help,

    Chris

    #2
    WOW. 147 views and no replies... aside from this one.
    Must be priceless huh

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      #3
      Originally posted by tassie_devil View Post
      WOW. 147 views and no replies... aside from this one.
      Must be priceless huh
      Hi tas,

      I'm wondering if the 'silent' majority are wondering why you're potentially splitting up what presumably is a matching numbers chassis and engine.

      Hey, maybe I'm wrong, but either way, hopefully you'll get some advice soon...
      Scotty

      70 911S coupé
      73 911T targa
      77 911 Carrera 3.o


      Instagram - @aircooledlist

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        #4
        Originally posted by SM911 View Post
        Hi tas,

        I'm wondering if the 'silent' majority are wondering why you're potentially splitting up what presumably is a matching numbers chassis and engine.

        Hey, maybe I'm wrong, but either way, hopefully you'll get some advice soon...
        They're not matching...
        John Forcier
        1969 2.7RS spec 911B(astard)
        1968 2.0S spec 911 Race Car
        Restoration Saga
        1962 CB77 P3 TT Race Bike (looking for another engine)

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          #5
          Hi Guys,

          Car is 1972 911T that should have a 2.4.
          Instead it has a 2.2 engine from 1970, hence reason I'm considering selling.

          Any idea's on what I should be asking?

          Thanks.

          Chris

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            #6
            hmmm... come on, where are you clyde!?!
            Richard Griffiths
            1970 911T 2.8

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              #7
              Originally posted by tassie_devil View Post
              Hi Guys,

              Car is 1972 911T that should have a 2.4.
              Instead it has a 2.2 engine from 1970, hence reason I'm considering selling.

              Any idea's on what I should be asking?

              Thanks.

              Chris
              I'll have a stab... Not that long ago I would have said $3k for a running early T engine so long as the leak-down numbers were okay. But now, well, pick a number and see if you get bites...

              But what I'm beginning to see is the prices getting to the point that even the most naive buyers are baulking. Sure, early stuff has taken a big run up the charts; but there are some truly silly prices being asked for stuff that isn't even NOS. For example $4k for SWB indicators, $10,000 for early carburettors, $12k seats, and don't start me on fuchs! However when you drill down the sales, I don't think these items are actually moving.

              Chris if you want to actually sell the engine, I think a realistic price would be around the $4-4.5k mark if it is complete from airbox to exhaust. If you're able to demonstrate the engine history or rebuilds then you could up the price a little more. If you need to keep components of the engine such as the fan/alternator, exhaust, induction etc... and just sell the "long-block" then I would have thought $2.5-3.5k.

              The exception here is if the original chassis can be located...

              I'm not in the market, so it's just my opinion YMMV
              John Forcier
              1969 2.7RS spec 911B(astard)
              1968 2.0S spec 911 Race Car
              Restoration Saga
              1962 CB77 P3 TT Race Bike (looking for another engine)

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                #8
                5K for a good working early 911 is still a bargain when one considers rebuilding a fuel pump to a 2.4 MFI is quoted at about $5k!
                Paul

                Targa 2.4E Signal Yellow

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Stuttgart View Post
                  5K for a good working early 911 is still a bargain when one considers rebuilding a fuel pump to a 2.4 MFI is quoted at about $5k!

                  Good point. I'm basing my opinion a carbed car and not MFI.
                  John Forcier
                  1969 2.7RS spec 911B(astard)
                  1968 2.0S spec 911 Race Car
                  Restoration Saga
                  1962 CB77 P3 TT Race Bike (looking for another engine)

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by Fishcop View Post
                    They're not matching...
                    Oops. Yeah, that'd be the first part which states 1972 & 1970...
                    (Mental note: take time to read posts thoroughly) :p
                    Scotty

                    70 911S coupé
                    73 911T targa
                    77 911 Carrera 3.o


                    Instagram - @aircooledlist

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                      #11
                      Thanks John and Paul for your helpful feedback
                      This gives me a much better idea what to expect.

                      Have a few things to sort first, but will post in the classifieds once I have a few more photos sorted.

                      Ideally once I've sold I would love to get a 2.4, not sure I want a T. Maybe an E or some kind of custom 2.5 or 2.7 monster. 3lt would be the practical choice, but I love the sound of short stroke engines.

                      BTW No probs Scotty. I've done the same before.

                      Thanks again guys,

                      Chris

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                        #12
                        Re MFI pump rebuilds; surely there is a better way than sending to Bosch Germany or US [I suspect just send it to Germany anyway]. Are we certain no one is good at rebuilding them here for less money?
                        Paul

                        Targa 2.4E Signal Yellow

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                          #13
                          Michael newton in sydney does a lot of the Group S car rebuilds. Not cheap but very good.

                          I would be stunned if spencer can't do them in Victoria
                          Last edited by timp; 04-10-14, 11:54 AM.

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                            #14
                            Hi Tassie Devil
                            My recent experiences might be helpful as I have been on he "buy side" of the 2.2 discussion.
                            I bought '71T as an engineless chassis so was looking for a 2.2 engine from the outset. I located a nice engine and transmission combo that was being rebuilt by a well known Sydney specialist. The best price I could negotiate for that was $16,500.

                            However, with a lot of help from this forum, I ended up locating the original engine for my car, which had sat around for 19 years, was untested, unknown and incomplete. I paid $4,500 as what is not much more than a "long block". I then added a nice set of refurbished webers and some tinware a for a total of $8,000. Sounds a lot for an unknown entity and still missing a lots of important parts....but it was the original motor so a seller's market.

                            In your case, what will probably be driving the buyers will be the desire to restore an an early car that was tarted up as an RS look-a-like back in the 80's. A popular tart up was big wheel arches and and 3.0 SC motors and 915 transmissions. If I were doing such a resto, a nice period correct 2.2 would be critical. If I were you, $8,000 to $10,000 would not be an unreasonably starting point if you have data showing your engine is a good and usable one.
                            Good luck.

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by Stuttgart View Post
                              Re MFI pump rebuilds; surely there is a better way than sending to Bosch Germany or US [I suspect just send it to Germany anyway]. Are we certain no one is good at rebuilding them here for less money?
                              There are various injector pump 'specialists' in Australia who claim they can rebuild any pump BUT when it comes to the MFI pumps off our cars, there seems to be some black magic involved to get them right.

                              AT the Essen show I spoke with an old guy who had about every imaginable Bosch mechanical injector pump on his stand and also claimed he could rebuild any Bosch pump. Seems he may have done his time at Bosch or was certainly factory trained. I believe yo also need the correct old equipment to calibrate the pumps correctly and the space cam in them is also a critical element to get right.

                              Incorrectly adjusted pumps can deliver too rich a mixture and on our cars, this means you can get fuel in the oil when it washes by rings. This happened to my engine as I was getting a real fuel smell from the side oil tank and fuel was thinning down the oil causing lube problems.

                              MY pump was done at Bosch Germany as I felt its too important to not get it right. Should last another 40 years (hopefully) before it needs another rebuild.
                              sigpicPhil Lack
                              TYP901 Register Inc. # 002 (Founding President)
                              Early 911-S Registry # 690
                              R-Gruppe # 367
                              '72 911E 2.4 Coupe (SOLD)
                              '15 MB CLA 250 Sport Shooting Brake - daily
                              2012 BMW 1M Coupe 6-spd (Wow)

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