Carsales: 1973 Porsche 911 F E

[douglas]

No affiliation...but loove the interior

Ad reads,

Australian delivered Right Hand Drive
One of five RHD 1973 E coupes known to exist.
This one has the sunroof.

Has 2.7EFI engine in car 6273912

Garage find in Brisbane

Original 2.4E MFI engine complete ground up build available 6229186
18,000 spent on original factory spare period correct engine.
Providence with engine alone.

This is rocking horse **** .. rare
It is also exceptionally affordable collectable and appreciating drivable classic motoring at cash and carry price.

http://www.carsales.com.au/private/details/_/SSE-AD-2915687?WT.seg_4=AutoAlert%3BPCAA&sdmvc=1&utm_campaign=bau&utm_medium=email&utm_source=transact&utm_content=autoalert

[npvpositive]

One of Aussie delivered five RHD 73E coupes known to exist? That doesn't sound right . . . maybe five with sunroof?

[douglas]

And the "Original 2.4E MFI engine" is "available"?????

[e72phil]

Has a Spyder Automobiles sticker on rear window so best we got onto Mike and ask him what he knows about it. Wonder how long its been in Brisbane ?

Also has incorrect electronic speedo and silver turn signals - should be black for a '73 model.

Hugh will no doubt chime in about the VIN and engine numbers to see if its on his database of Aussie delivered cars.

Its history will no doubt emerge. I seem to remember a silver 911 with a red interior some years back for sale in Melbourne. Perhaps its buried somewhere in old threads ?

Cant hide too much from us TYP901 guys.....

[Fishcop]

I'm guessing the gearbox is wrong - incorrect speedo is electronic, so it's a post 76 box... Ex-sporto perhaps?

Doesn't mean it's not a great car of course, if I can help anyone out looking at the car let me know.

[HughH]

I will look at the numbers when I get home tonight ..... BUT I am a bit surprised that an aust delivered car would have a full size spare. My car and the other E's that I have seen have the 85 liter tank and space savers
The "original" engine that is mentioned in the ad is for a 72E sporto car (6229xxxx) 2 for 72 and for E and 9 for sporto while the car is obviously a 73 (apart from all the non 73 items like horn grills, front side lights, rear lights, badging at and engine grill? Etc). I think I would be checking the production number :-( although it is hard to tell from those photos. If this one is worth $100k I hate to think what mine would be worth :-)

[Pieboy]

Hmm.... keen to understand from the assembled knowledge what its really worth and, should I see if he'll entertain an offer?

[Fishcop]

Hmm.... keen to understand from the assembled knowledge what its really worth and, should I see if he'll entertain an offer?

As you read above there is instant doubt that the car is 'as advertised' (you get this instant anorak critique as part of your membership ). So you really need to go and visually assess a car like this to be absolutely sure of what you have BEFORE you throw around numbers...

By all means offer a deposit dependant on inspection and verification of numbers.

[Fishcop]

All right, I feel like critiquing - the more I read it the more cranky it makes me At the risk of this being read and insulting the seller - here goes...

Australian delivered Right Hand Drive
One of five RHD 1973 E coupes known to exist.
This one has the sunroof. I think this is doubtful...

Has 2.7EFI engine in car 6273912 This means it has bog-stock incorrect 2.7CIS

Garage find in Brisbane It's clearly parked under a high-set house where it's probably been hanging around - hardly a surprise find

Original 2.4E MFI engine complete ground up build available 6229186
18,000 spent on original factory spare period correct engine.
Providence with engine alone. WTF? I think this means a series compatible motor is available for an extra cost but the ORIGINAL engine is lost.

This is rocking horse **** .. rare No it's not - it would be closer to the truth if the car was actually original
It is also exceptionally affordable collectable and appreciating drivable classic motoring at cash and carry price. You are clearly a car-dealer

Is it still a nice car? Possibly/probably, but that's no excuse for sloppy ad writing... I'm sure it'll turn out to be a 73E and probably Aussie delivered RHD - great! Colour and particularly interior are desirable (despite my silver stir-up in another thread). Someone has changed out the original sporto engine and box for an engine from a G series 2.7 on CIS (not a special engine in any way). I bet the gearbox belongs to that same CIS engine as it has an electronic speedometer setup.

To my mind, if it is solid and corrosion free with a clean and unmolested interior, it is comfortably a $60+k car. If the original series engine is thrown into the deal it's probably an $80k car. Find it's original engine and sporto, and up she goes... Not a $100k car on face value based on the ad.

[Motolita]

Nicely put John.
Its an early "Backdate" 73 with 70 finishes. Zag's 1st go perhaps.LOL
Moto

[Cairns888]

Nice wrap up Fishcop!!!
What's with the bizarre photography?

Nice car though. Looks clean.
Price is always how much someone wants to pay.

[e72phil]

I decided to call Mike Jacobsen at Spyder and he knows a fair bit about this car having worked on it as late as 12 months ago when it was down here. So its not exactly a 'barn find'.

Current engine in is is a 2.7 CIS that actually came out of Mike's old Blue car for those that remember it.

there is a very long and convoluted story that Mike can fill you in on if you are seriously interested in the car. He also knows about the 2.4 engine which is NOT its original engine but he did help the current owner source it.

Mike says the car is basically sound but has some small issues that need addressing. Anyone keen to get a numbers matching original car wont find it in this one and will need a lot of luck hunting down the original engine and gearbox.

Mike' s number can be found via the Spyder Autos link above as he is a Forum sponsor. he sounded happy to help anyone seriously looking to buy the car.

[npvpositive]

Good intel Phil. I just can't get my head around $100k for a non-matching car that still has "small issues" . . . but, the market will decide, not me!! It has been amazing watching how quickly Autohaus Hamilton is selling cars at the moment . . . they put a white 964 on their site a few days ago and it sold in hours.

[HughH]

OK time for some facts

It is an Australian delivered 1973 E. It was originally light ivory and a sporto - one of 15 E sportos (there were another 15 E manuals.)

When I first came across it in the early 2000's it was for sale at Shannons auctions and still was light ivory but had a non original engine number listed against it (6318954) but that is not only a non original number but one that (i think) does not exist). At that time it had received a brand new "Blackmans" leather interior. It was originally a Sydney car delivered to a doctor there in 1973.

I saw it a bit over the past few years - some may remember it at the 356 day in 2012 and I think 2011. (i am sure there will be a photo on the site here somewhere) At that stage it was registered RYD402 i think

On the rarity of these cars, apart from this one, I am aware of about 14 of the 30 such cars delivered here... not quite prolific but not rare

Also I am not sure if the "spare" engine is not 6229182, rather than the 6229186 mentioned in the ad, given that was the engine number quoted last time the car that used to have that engine in it was advertised for sale. (it was not original to that car either)

this is what it looked like in the early 2000's

[damianroyce]

Good intel Phil. I just can't get my head around $100k for a non-matching car that still has "small issues" . . . but, the market will decide, not me!! It has been amazing watching how quickly Autohaus Hamilton is selling cars at the moment . . . they put a white 964 on their site a few days ago and it sold in hours.

There's been at least 3 or 4 cars that have sold in less than a day at Autohaus in the past few weeks. An SC, a 3.2 Carrera and this week, a 964 manual C2. Everything seems to be on the way up, not just the 901's.