Hello All. Here's the report from the last A.O.M.C. Delegates meeting 26/8/2017.
A.O.M.C. Delegates Meeting August 26, 2017
Darnum Memorial Hall,
Cropley Street,
Darnum, Victoria
3822.
Present:
Carl Jones
Representing:
The Australian Typ 901 Register.
Mercedes-Benz Club of Victoria Inc.
A.O.M.C. President Keith Mortimer opened the meeting at 1:00pm and introduced three guests after minor formalities:
John Lewis and Drew Stephenson from Vic Roads. Andrew George, C.E.O. Society of Automotive Engineers.
John and Drew discussed the following:
1. Club permit issues in relation to the administration of deceased estates and transfer of permit to a beneficiary or spouse. They admitted there were serious administrative issues with the current system. From the 11/9/2017 the system will updated with regards to an information pack from Vic Roads and streamlined transfer process with regards to permit.
2. Club Permit Review Scheme. Vic Roads assured the attendees they were on "Our side" with regards to the Club Permit Scheme. The social aspects of the CPS were discussed such as:
-The financial support of local communities through events such as a club meeting in regional areas.
-Club donations to communities through activities such as annual meetings and displays.
-Mental health benefits of both the participants and attendees, particularly those in regional communities. (Eg; providing an interest, or something to do, similar to a men's shed)
3. Updating of the Club permit Scheme Database. Currently, the CPS database is not part of the official Vic Roads database. For example, the Police cannot determine if a CPS permitted vehicle has a valid permit without inspecting the log book. The CPS costs approximately $2.0 million per annum to maintain and Vic Roads are looking to amalgamate the CPS vehicles into the main vehicle register, the benefits being:
-Simpler renewals
-Instant police I.D. (As is currently the case with a registered vehicle)
-Reduced administration of behalf of the club
-The ability to retain the current full registration, custom or personalised plate (As is currently the case in SA.).
-The log book system would be retained in the event of the above however the vehicle could be indentified through a tag on the registration plate should the plates from full registration be maintained.
The cost to Vic Roads to transfer the database will be approximately the same as that for 12 months of administration, i.e. $2.0 million.
Questions from the floor:
1. Re: Filling log book in for the coming day if the driver would be driving after midnight? Currently not permitted and the advice was to pull over, stretch your legs, fill the book in for the next day at 12:01am and keep going!
2. Custom plates for CPS vehicles? Not offered due to the current computer system being incompatible with the plate ordering software as the databases are separate. This will change if the databases are amalgamated (Vic Roads preference).
3. Recent draconian activities re: Asbestos removal in personally imported vehicles. Not a Vic Roads matter as they are not responsible The responsible National body is A.Q.I.S. Note, the current regulations regarding asbestos (Or any other hazardous materials being imported) have been in place since 2003. The recent clamp down is the result of new vehicles, specifically Great Wall product from mainland China that contained asbestos in friction materials that alerted A.Q.I.S. to inspect all imported vehicles whether new or not more closely.
Andrew George, C.E.O. of the S.A.E.
Gave a very informative presentation regarding the engineering and certification required for modified vehicles, specifically hot rods and some commercial vehicles. Also discussed the role of the engineer and the documentation required for registration or permit. Discussed the V.M.A.C. (Vehicle Modification and Accreditation Certificate), regulation 257, Schedule 2 of the Road Safety Vehicles Regulations, VSB 14 and Vic Roads VS1 listing. Some Australian design rules were discussed specifically ADR 1, 2 and 3.
ADR 27C relevant from 1976 to 1985 was discussed specifically with regards to emissions testing. No test facilities now exist to enforce ADR 27C anywhere in Australia however the EPA have determined that if the vehicle emits idle hydrocarbons at 4.5% or less then it will be deemed compliant to ADR 27C. 1986 or later vehicles must pass what is known as the IM240 test which is part of ADR 37.
Questions from the floor:
Pertained to commercial vehicles regarding modifications, specifically engine changes and the issue of a corresponding "M" or Modified plate.
The meeting was closed at 2:45pm. With special thanks to the Trafalgar Truck Restorers Club who provided not only a hearty lunch but afternoon tea as well. A gold coin donation was requested and the proceeds donated to a local charity.
Carl Jones
A.O.M.C. Delegate:
The Australian Typ 901 Register.
Mercedes-Benz Club of Victoria Inc.
A.O.M.C. Delegates Meeting August 26, 2017
Darnum Memorial Hall,
Cropley Street,
Darnum, Victoria
3822.
Present:
Carl Jones
Representing:
The Australian Typ 901 Register.
Mercedes-Benz Club of Victoria Inc.
A.O.M.C. President Keith Mortimer opened the meeting at 1:00pm and introduced three guests after minor formalities:
John Lewis and Drew Stephenson from Vic Roads. Andrew George, C.E.O. Society of Automotive Engineers.
John and Drew discussed the following:
1. Club permit issues in relation to the administration of deceased estates and transfer of permit to a beneficiary or spouse. They admitted there were serious administrative issues with the current system. From the 11/9/2017 the system will updated with regards to an information pack from Vic Roads and streamlined transfer process with regards to permit.
2. Club Permit Review Scheme. Vic Roads assured the attendees they were on "Our side" with regards to the Club Permit Scheme. The social aspects of the CPS were discussed such as:
-The financial support of local communities through events such as a club meeting in regional areas.
-Club donations to communities through activities such as annual meetings and displays.
-Mental health benefits of both the participants and attendees, particularly those in regional communities. (Eg; providing an interest, or something to do, similar to a men's shed)
3. Updating of the Club permit Scheme Database. Currently, the CPS database is not part of the official Vic Roads database. For example, the Police cannot determine if a CPS permitted vehicle has a valid permit without inspecting the log book. The CPS costs approximately $2.0 million per annum to maintain and Vic Roads are looking to amalgamate the CPS vehicles into the main vehicle register, the benefits being:
-Simpler renewals
-Instant police I.D. (As is currently the case with a registered vehicle)
-Reduced administration of behalf of the club
-The ability to retain the current full registration, custom or personalised plate (As is currently the case in SA.).
-The log book system would be retained in the event of the above however the vehicle could be indentified through a tag on the registration plate should the plates from full registration be maintained.
The cost to Vic Roads to transfer the database will be approximately the same as that for 12 months of administration, i.e. $2.0 million.
Questions from the floor:
1. Re: Filling log book in for the coming day if the driver would be driving after midnight? Currently not permitted and the advice was to pull over, stretch your legs, fill the book in for the next day at 12:01am and keep going!
2. Custom plates for CPS vehicles? Not offered due to the current computer system being incompatible with the plate ordering software as the databases are separate. This will change if the databases are amalgamated (Vic Roads preference).
3. Recent draconian activities re: Asbestos removal in personally imported vehicles. Not a Vic Roads matter as they are not responsible The responsible National body is A.Q.I.S. Note, the current regulations regarding asbestos (Or any other hazardous materials being imported) have been in place since 2003. The recent clamp down is the result of new vehicles, specifically Great Wall product from mainland China that contained asbestos in friction materials that alerted A.Q.I.S. to inspect all imported vehicles whether new or not more closely.
Andrew George, C.E.O. of the S.A.E.
Gave a very informative presentation regarding the engineering and certification required for modified vehicles, specifically hot rods and some commercial vehicles. Also discussed the role of the engineer and the documentation required for registration or permit. Discussed the V.M.A.C. (Vehicle Modification and Accreditation Certificate), regulation 257, Schedule 2 of the Road Safety Vehicles Regulations, VSB 14 and Vic Roads VS1 listing. Some Australian design rules were discussed specifically ADR 1, 2 and 3.
ADR 27C relevant from 1976 to 1985 was discussed specifically with regards to emissions testing. No test facilities now exist to enforce ADR 27C anywhere in Australia however the EPA have determined that if the vehicle emits idle hydrocarbons at 4.5% or less then it will be deemed compliant to ADR 27C. 1986 or later vehicles must pass what is known as the IM240 test which is part of ADR 37.
Questions from the floor:
Pertained to commercial vehicles regarding modifications, specifically engine changes and the issue of a corresponding "M" or Modified plate.
The meeting was closed at 2:45pm. With special thanks to the Trafalgar Truck Restorers Club who provided not only a hearty lunch but afternoon tea as well. A gold coin donation was requested and the proceeds donated to a local charity.
Carl Jones
A.O.M.C. Delegate:
The Australian Typ 901 Register.
Mercedes-Benz Club of Victoria Inc.
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