Vic Club Registration question

[markymark_1968]

Hi all.... Have scoured the other threads on this topic and couldn't find the answer.

...if someone was to purchase a vehicle that is currently on club plates, can you run on those plates and log book until you re register on your own club plates, or do you have to get an unregistered vehicle permit from day one to facilitate driving the car from point a to b? I know the plates are not transferable, so I am assuming the latter, but wanted to check...

Also, I read on one of the threads that if you register with club plates you do not have to pay stamp duty. Is that true, and if you decide to register onto full registration down the track will they chase you for the stamp duty payable on the original sale price then? I couldn't find an answer on the vicroads site about that, either. Cheers!

Thanks in advance, Mark

[Terminator]

Stamp duty is payable on market value of vehicle at time of registration sale price is irrelevant always has been as I understood we all put sale price on form but it really is menat to be market value

I don't believe it is wise to do what your suggesting regardlous of wether you can or can't speeding fines, city luink etc will all be against your club plate registration, I would remove plates and get purchaser to buy the 1 month unregistered driving permit that you mention.

[e72phil]

Clyde and I have just been thru this process with the 73 T/E coupe he bought.

Even though we are both members of the same club and both eligible for the Club permit scheme, I cannot transfer the Club reg over to Clyde. he has to re-register the car in his name and start over. There is NO stamp duty payable on this new registration onto Club plates but he would incur stamp duty if he decided to go to full reg. (calculated, as Clyde says, on market value - which VicRoads can over-ride if they feel your valuation is too low.).

If you were to leave the Club permit in the name of original owner, then that person is liable for speeding fines, tolls, parking tickets etc regardless if someone else is driving.

I thoroughly researched this at the VicRoads office and no transfer is possible. So lets not abuse this great system we have in place and do the right thing with VicRoads as I am by handing back yr plates. I do believe you can even apply for a refund of unused portion of club reg, although its not much.

Hope this helps solve your problem.

[CS911E]

Hi Mark,

I don't believe Club Plates are transferrable thus you would buy/sell the car unregistered, though you can buy an unregistered vehicle permit for certain time frames.

Confirming that you don't pay stamp duty if you register on Club Plates, but that should you revert to standard registration you are then liable for stamp duty on the initial purchase price or market value.

Cheers

[markymark_1968]

Thanks for the info everyone!. Though I think Clyde and Phil may have misunderstood the premise of my question, though. There is absolutely no intent to abuse the club permit system, I was just wondering what the legal requirements are in regards to the crossover period between buying and selling. As Craig alludes to, I think this situation will require acquiring a 28 day UVP and then re registering with new club rego.

All academic at this point, but was curious to know what the rundown is.

[Terminator]

Phil mentioned abuse of system, I never did Mark, and it never entered my head.

[e72phil]

Mark and Clyde, I wasnt wanting to sound alarmist but am very conscious of how the AOMC in their newsletter, always calls for clubs to respect the Club Permit scheme in Victoria and not abuse any of its privileges.

Wasnt suggesting anyone here would do this but just wanted to relate my most recent experience. Clyde did drive the car home with my permission using its current log book as it doesnt expire until 22 Sept. He just cant transfer the reg and the plate to his name.

[griffiths_r]

Mark and Clyde, I wasnt wanting to sound alarmist but am very conscious of how the AOMC in their newsletter, always calls for clubs to respect the Club Permit scheme in Victoria and not abuse any of its privileges.

and it's even on the agenda for discussion at the AGM!!!

[Boball]

Hi Mark,

Having just sold my 901 replica which was on club plates, you are correct - you can't transfer ownership of club plates.
My buyer was from Perth, so the issue was not a big one as he needs to get permits and road worthy in WA.

In Victoria, as I understand it:
The seller needs to remove plates and return (walk in or post) to VicRoads
The seller will get a refund for the unused portion of the registration
The buyer can then obtain a 28 day UVP (unregistered vehicle permit) from VicRoads (for about $70), which means you can drive it for 28 days without plates whilst you get RWC etc....
The buyer (or seller) will then need to:
- Obtain a new roadworthy certificate
- Within 28 days of obtaining a new Road Worthy Certificate fill out some VicRoads paperwork (enclosed)
- Get the TYP901 Club (probably Clyde) to sign the form
- Take the completed form to VicRoads (you'll need an appointment) to get new club plates

Club plates are linked to the car, club and owner

Other people can drive your car on club plates as long as they fill-in the log book.

Here is the link to VicRoads: http://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/Home/...lubPermits.htm

I hope this helps

Cheers...Dael

[9er]

I think I broke most of those rules when I sold a car to Luke (LPT911) he drove the car back to Victoria over a couple of days still using my S.A. 72E plates, and historic rego. but he did have my permission and I did ask him to fill in the log books.

[CamBiscuit]

Hmmm sounds familiar^^ !!

[KDF]

Hi Mark,

Having just sold my 901 replica which was on club plates, you are correct - you can't transfer ownership of club plates.
My buyer was from Perth, so the issue was not a big one as he needs to get permits and road worthy in WA.

In Victoria, as I understand it:
The seller needs to remove plates and return (walk in or post) to VicRoads
The seller will get a refund for the unused portion of the registration
The buyer can then obtain a 28 day UVP (unregistered vehicle permit) from VicRoads (for about $70), which means you can drive it for 28 days without plates whilst you get RWC etc....
The buyer (or seller) will then need to:
- Obtain a new roadworthy certificate
- Within 28 days of obtaining a new Road Worthy Certificate fill out some VicRoads paperwork (enclosed)
- Get the TYP901 Club (probably Clyde) to sign the form
- Take the completed form to VicRoads (you'll need an appointment) to get new club plates

Club plates are linked to the car, club and owner

Other people can drive your car on club plates as long as they fill-in the log book.

Here is the link to VicRoads: http://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/Home/...lubPermits.htm

I hope this helps

Cheers...Dael

Hi all,

I might just chime in as most people seem to underestimate the stipulations of an unregistered vehicle permit.

It does not entail you to just drive the car like you would a normal or club regoed car as I had to learn the hard way just last year.

I had a deal with Detlef my mechanic to swap my car needing a RWC done for his BMW loan car.

I had to start work at 6am in Dandenong so he hid the key to his BMW in a location known to both of us at his workshop in Rowville.

So to leave me some time I got in the car at 5am in Bayswater and went on my way to the workshop in Rowville approx 6km away.

I never made it to Kelletts Road as a serious servant of the crown (AKA bush ranger with a badge) pulled me over to enquire about my missing number plates (you absolutely HAVE to take them off whilst displaying the permit in the front window).

I explained the situation only to be handed a notice that stated I was driving an unregistered vehicle = $722 !!!! because I started my journey 2 hours to early.

I think the times are 7:00 to 19:00 but is is in the fine print of the permits two pages.

Best thing was when I asked if I was allowed to drive the last 2km to the workshop he replied: "No, technically you are not. But I am leaving now so what you do from there is up to you."

Don't get me wrong, I now know I have technically breached the stipulations of the permit but copping the same fine as someone deliberately not getting any permit or just driving with unpaid and overdue registration?

Don't anybody tell me that wasn't a revenue raising exercise.

Of course I went to court and managed to drop the fine to $150.

Vic roads web site tells us:

UVP must not be used as a substitute for full registration.

UVPs are intended to cover situations such as:
Preparing an unregistered vehicle for registration
to have repairs done
to obtain a Certificate of Roadworthiness
to obtain a Vehicle Identity Validation certificate
to obtain a Vehicle Assessment Signatory Scheme (VASS) Approval Certificate
to take the vehicle to VicRoads for registration
to have a replacement VIN stamped
Moving a vehicle from place to place on a one-off basis
Heavy earthmoving equipment which cannot meet registration requirements but which need to cross or operate on public roads in the course of construction work.
Rally vehicles
Carnival floats

http://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/Home/...iclePermit.htm

So if you get pulled over by the boys in blue don't never ever tell them that you are on your way to the AGM of the 901 register, on my way to work, shopping, picking up the kids from gym or anything anything other than:
"I have an appointment with my mechanic to fix an oil leak for the purpose of obtaining a roadworthy certificate and I am just warming up the engine and gearbox for him...."

Coming to think of it, there are people I dislike a lot more than Mark Webber, by the way :p

[chrisheal]

Interesting Marty... there may be people you dislike more than Webber but you are still the biggest Webber hater around here ! :p

[TYP 901]

My tuppence worth -
Club plates no duty.
Full registration FULL duty.
I decided to bite the bullet and pay the duty for full rego.
It makes driving as much as you like whenever you like without any considerations simple - comes at a cost though

[KDF]

Interesting Marty... there may be people you dislike more than Webber but you are still the biggest Webber hater around here ! :p

Hey Chris,

I figured that's what happens when you surround yourself with aussies :p

All good, I sincerely hope he does well for Porsche but have a feeling deep down he might bring his string of bad luck to the party....

I would love to be proven wrong in this case