I think I’m going to turn my 911 in to an EV...

[911ex2]

the 935 replicas that run a 300+ kw motor are very impressive, these are out of LA.There is one in Vic or NSW that was converted several years ago, SC body still ran the 915 trans.

[griffiths_r]

Any updates?!?

came across this vid on youtube... it’s even the right colour - giving me bad (read expensive) ideas!!!

https://youtu.be/ZQfkojLhY7U

[PCM911T]

Before you do anything about EVs watch Harry's Garage on YouTube about the real costs of electric vehicles.

[griffiths_r]

Before you do anything about EVs watch Harry's Garage on YouTube about the real costs of electric vehicles.

thanks - really interesting watch (and lots of vids to catch up on).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oVFJUxeGFAE

lots of really good perspectives and data put forward - and he seems to sit in a rare open minded pragmatic space between both ICE and EV...

i think the majority of his arguments are logical and supported by data, but like a lot of the hype out there (mostly on the EV side), he lacks a full gamut comparison of cost (both environmental and financial) from production to running to recycling.

lastly, to say 'don't bother with EV's because it really won't make much of a difference to the environment' i find really irksome - we don't need a few people doing it perfectly. we need absolutely everyone doing something about it imperfectly.

anyway, great watching for anyone interested.

and here's his opinion on the impact of EVs on the classic car market...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1CUA2imRYRM

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You should also be aware that the Federal Government is very quietly preparing legislation for an EV per kilometre usage tax to make up for "lost" petrol tax revenue.

[9er]

As a reference to convert my KG the cost was $32K for the parts only with me doing all the work.
It was an EV west kit which was a 100kw power output.

[griffiths_r]

You should also be aware that the Federal Government is very quietly preparing legislation for an EV per kilometre usage tax to make up for "lost" petrol tax revenue.

yeah no surprises there...

[CamBiscuit]

As a reference to convert my KG the cost was $32K for the parts only with me doing all the work.
It was an EV west kit which was a 100kw power output.

I think the cost of these kits is going to have to pretty much half to make it a justifiable exercise from an economic point of view....

[griffiths_r]

I think the cost of these kits is going to have to pretty much half to make it a justifiable exercise from an economic point of view....

Yeah something in that order... but given ICE cars coming off the production line now are useable for say the next ~40yrs, there is a pretty big market for conversions - competition plus technology advances (inc 3D printing parts, better batteries, faster charging etc) will bring the price down pretty rapidly i think?

Ooh... so who here wants an aftermarket self driving kit for there 901 whilst their also converting it to EV?!? . They have to be coming soon too?!?

[AdamGill]

Am starting to think our logic is wrong and we should put a 911 body on a Tesla not put a Tesla into a 911!?! (For Tesla read any electric vehicle / electric conversion)

Yeah something in that order... but given ICE cars coming off the production line now are useable for say the next ~40yrs, there is a pretty big market for conversions - competition plus technology advances (inc 3D printing parts, better batteries, faster charging etc) will bring the price down pretty rapidly i think?

Ooh... so who here wants an aftermarket self driving kit for there 901 whilst their also converting it to EV?!? . They have to be coming soon too?!?

[e72phil]

You should also be aware that the Federal Government is very quietly preparing legislation for an EV per kilometre usage tax to make up for "lost" petrol tax revenue.

Yeah all these EV'ers dont seem to think about who will pay for roads and their maintenance so some sort of road tax will have to be added in somewhere - perhaps a tax on electricity at EV charge stations ?

[griffiths_r]

Yeah all these EV'ers dont seem to think about who will pay for roads and their maintenance so some sort of road tax will have to be added in somewhere - perhaps a tax on electricity at EV charge stations ?

Nah, don’t think that’s at all true... well, certainly not me anyways. A RUC is perfectly logical... if it is levied on ALL vehicles fairly. THEN, charge vehicles based on their true dust-to-dust environmental footprint/impact.

there’s also a paper out there by E&Y that shows EV’s generate more income for governments than ICE’s do... and that’s without a RUC!!

[griffiths_r]

Yeah something in that order... but given ICE cars coming off the production line now are useable for say the next ~40yrs, there is a pretty big market for conversions - competition plus technology advances (inc 3D printing parts, better batteries, faster charging etc) will bring the price down pretty rapidly i think?

actually... there’s another scenario i hadnmt thought of until this morning - if my engine blew up tomorrow... i can spend $30k-$40k doing an engine rebuild, or i can spend the same converting it to EV. I’d need to think a fair bit about which way I’d go...

sorry, back on topic!!

[9er]

Your $30-40K quoted above is parts only and entry level kit at that, using second hand Tesla batteries, a decent set up to go in something like a Porsche with labour and engineering is more like $70K by the time you are driving down the road.

[griffiths_r]

Your $30-40K quoted above is parts only and entry level kit at that, using second hand Tesla batteries, a decent set up to go in something like a Porsche with labour and engineering is more like $70K by the time you are driving down the road.

Ah yeah, may well be... especially as we get pillaged on everything needing to be imported. guess my point is that the economics is not necessarily just pulling out a working combustion set-up... but a different option for rebuilding an ICE.

Going to be fun watching how this all plays out globally over the next 9 years.